Changing the shape of the RV wing for speed

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dsb
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tmbg wrote:
Hi Dave,

I sure would like to get together with you sometime on the topic of using SolidWorks to design wings... it's something I've been toying with for a couple weeks, and it'd be nice to see how it's done by someone that actually knows what they're doing!
I'd be happy to share what I have, but in no way am I a SWx expert. I use SWx mainly for the structures and strength analysis. If you are looking for aerodynamic information, there are better(?) and more intuitive programs to use. The main problem I have with the CFD side of SWx is that it puts out very raw data and without doing a lot of calculation it's difficult to see what's going on.

Dave

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Thermos wrote:
To plagarize Monty Python..."who are you who are so wise in the ways of aerodynamics?" :mrgreen:

It's nice to have an aero engineer around!

Dave
In the interest of clarity and complete disclosure, you should know that I am a Physicist and not an engineer... The aerodynamics, structural analysis and aircraft design stuff is a hobby for me and something of great personal interest, but I do not make my living with it...

Dave

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dsb wrote:
tmbg wrote:
Hi Dave,

I sure would like to get together with you sometime on the topic of using SolidWorks to design wings... it's something I've been toying with for a couple weeks, and it'd be nice to see how it's done by someone that actually knows what they're doing!
I'd be happy to share what I have, but in no way am I a SWx expert. I use SWx mainly for the structures and strength analysis. If you are looking for aerodynamic information, there are better(?) and more intuitive programs to use. The main problem I have with the CFD side of SWx is that it puts out very raw data and without doing a lot of calculation it's difficult to see what's going on.

Dave

I'm not so much concerned about the aerodynamic analysis in SWx, mostly just overall design and structural analysis. We're working on a tube and fabric fuse/wood and fabric wings design, and I dunno what the best way is to model, ferinstance, the wings.

I wrote a program that takes a NACA section number and generates an IGES file with a set of lines defining that shape (doing the whole NACA equation thing), and then I can import that shape into SWx as a 2d sketch... my plan was to use that and loft it along paths, but I dunno if that's the best way to do things, and I'm not sure how to incorporate in taper. We're playing with elliptical wing designs, and they're pretty complicated.
Ian
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dsb
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tmbg wrote:I'm not so much concerned about the aerodynamic analysis in SWx, mostly just overall design and structural analysis. We're working on a tube and fabric fuse/wood and fabric wings design, and I dunno what the best way is to model, ferinstance, the wings.
You can definately do structural analysis on the spar... Provided SWx has materials files on what you're using (you may have to import them, I haven't done any wood spars in SWx so I'll have to look...)
tmbg wrote: I wrote a program that takes a NACA section number and generates an IGES file with a set of lines defining that shape (doing the whole NACA equation thing), and then I can import that shape into SWx as a 2d sketch... my plan was to use that and loft it along paths, but I dunno if that's the best way to do things, and I'm not sure how to incorporate in taper. We're playing with elliptical wing designs, and they're pretty complicated.
All of the NACA eqns. are driven by the chord length wrt. their co-ordinates. Once you have your ellipse defined that will give you your chord length at each station, use that chord length to generate the NACA airfoil form for each station.

You can use SWx to loft between/along several airfoils, but you're going to have to get them into a 3D drawing. Other than being able to look at the wing I don't know what value it will give if you're using fabric. The main advantage with using this type of loft with sheet metal is that when incorporated in the wing assembly you can put in all of the fastners and then 'unfold' all of the pieces and maintain the fastner whole placements as well as the flat sheet outline, cut and bend lines...

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ooh that leads me to another question I have for you...

I had an older version of SWx that wouldn't do sheet metal bends along a curved edge. I bought a copy of 2008, and it'll do curved sheetmetal, but it doesn't seem to be smart enough to unfold it with bend reliefs, ferinstance the way the RV wing ribs have the cutouts in the flange such that unfolded it looks like toes on a foot? SWx unfolds it as a solid piece... Is there a better way to do that?

I may not be making any sense...
Ian
RV-7 SB, chugging toward final assembly
IO-360-C1C 200hp obtained.
Hartzell BA prop received.
James Cowl ordered.
N773WW reserved!

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