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Who can ramp check ya?
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:57 pm
by captain_john
I know the feds can, but can the state?
Kevin J. and I were talking tonight and we were discussing the liberal state of Massachusetts. He says the Massachusetts Aeronautics Commission representative he talked to says that he WILL ramp check aircraft.
Is that legal? I know we have to surrender Pilot Certs and medicals to FAA officials, but what about the state?
Anyone???
CJ
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:08 pm
by lancef53
I am pretty sure in the regs it states that you must surrender your cert to a law enforcement officer if he requests it, but I don't know if a state employee would have the authority.
Time to go back to the regs and look it up, I guess?
In North Dakota, the aeronautics commission is a board of about a half a dozen members, I am quite sure they don't have the training or authority to do it.
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:23 am
by Spike
A technical correction here. You do not have to surrender them. My understanding is that you don't do that ever. You must furnish them for inspection, but never surrender them. There apparently has been some case law where there was a confusion and someone ended up without their ticket.
Spike
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:50 am
by lancef53
Yes, that is correct--surrender was the wrong word to use.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:37 am
by captain_john
Where does it "say" it, guys?
We were looking for it in the regs and couldn't find anything.
I KNOW we don't have to show a police officer anything. He wouldn't know what he was looking at anyways!
CJ
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:11 am
by Spike
captain_john wrote:
We were looking for it in the regs and couldn't find anything.
I KNOW we don't have to show a police officer anything. He wouldn't know what he was looking at anyways!
Actually John, you are incorrect. You most certainly do have to submit it to a police officer for review if requested.
FAR
61.51 (i) (1) (iii)
Pilot Logbooks
i) Presentation of required documents.
(1) Persons must present their pilot certificate, medical certificate, logbook, or any other record required by this part for inspection upon a reasonable request by—
(i) The Administrator;
(ii) An authorized representative from the National Transportation Safety Board; or
(iii) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer.
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:16 am
by Spike
And since we were talking about it:
FAR 61.27
Voluntary surrender of certificate:
(a) The holder of a certificate issued under this part may voluntarily surrender it for:
(1) Cancellation;
(2) Issuance of a lower grade certificate; or
(3) Another certificate with specific ratings deleted.
(b) Any request made under paragraph (a) of this section must include the following signed statement or its equivalent: “This request is made for my own reasons, with full knowledge that my (insert name of certificate or rating, as appropriate) may not be reissued to me unless I again pass the tests prescribed for its issuance.”
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:36 am
by captain_john
Well, there it is in grey and white!
Kevin, there ya have it!
The state CAN do ramp checks!
Hmmm, most cops wouldn't know what a medical is anyways.
Has anyone ever been ramp checked?
I haven't.
CJ
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 1:15 pm
by 4kilo
I've been ramp checked twice in GA airplanes. Lost count of the number of times in airliners.
Merry Christmas,
Pat
ramp check
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:52 am
by aparchment
I was ramp checked by the TSA when I flew out of Sanford while the Pres was in town. They were very pleasant and were much more interested in making sure I didn't have anything dangerous onboard than if I had expired charts.
I don't mind practical stuff like that.
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:52 pm
by captain_john
Antony, What "dangerous" item were they looking for?
I mean, it's your plane!?!
CJ
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:40 pm
by svanarts
Small bottles of mouthwash, jumbo sized tubes of toothpaste, shampoo... you know the ususal dangerous items.
Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:25 pm
by 4kilo
Scott,
You forgot tweezers and nail clippers!
Pat
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:01 am
by aparchment
I think maybe they wanted to make sure I didn't have the Constitution onboard. That scares the p*ss our of old Jorge.
captain_john wrote:Antony, What "dangerous" item were they looking for?
I mean, it's your plane!?!
CJ
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:17 am
by captain_john
Hahaha...
Best reply yet!
CJ
Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:09 pm
by Speed3Guy
aparchment wrote:I think maybe they wanted to make sure I didn't have the Constitution onboard. That scares the p*ss our of old Jorge.
captain_john wrote:Antony, What "dangerous" item were they looking for?
I mean, it's your plane!?!
CJ
ROFLMAO! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while!