I saw this report about a fatal (2) accident and wondered about Oshkosh-itis. VMC into IMC seems to be the cause. pushing too far. never let get-there-itis or airplane marketing hype push you into dangerous situations. the marketing guys are doing their job to get folks pumped up (that's how they get paid), but there will always be next time. very sad, condolences to the families.
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/07/v ... ident.html
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RV9A - aircraft down - final report - N192MH
RV9A - aircraft down - final report - N192MH
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preliminary - in-flight breakup
preliminary report. in-flight breakup. I believe this is the 2nd RV9A to go down in a thunderstorm. possible overspeed, rudder and vertical stab separation found first, then horizontal stab and wing, then the rest of the aircraft. that is the typical pattern of an RV in-flight breakup. in an RV9, it doesn't take very long to exceed Vne in a descent. pushing too hard to get to Oshkosh. message: forget the Oshkosh marketing hype - those guys get paid to hype-it-up.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/280790
this is a controlled descent and recovery in an RV9 to Vne in smooth air. Vne is reached in about 15 seconds. when the pilot is disoriented and in turbulent conditions, it could occur sooner.
https://youtu.be/2LhFZwankY0
condolences to the families.
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the first RV9A that went down in a thunderstorm was not too far from me in Ohio. the year was 2016. message: stay out of thunderstorms in these delicate aircraft. they are total performance but not in thunderstorms. they are weak there.
The vertical stabilizer and rudder were found 0.61 to 0.63 nautical miles southwest of the main wreckage, respectively, and exhibited overload signatures consistent with an in-flight breakup.
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2016/07/v ... ident.html
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/ ... /93660/pdf
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/280790
this is a controlled descent and recovery in an RV9 to Vne in smooth air. Vne is reached in about 15 seconds. when the pilot is disoriented and in turbulent conditions, it could occur sooner.
https://youtu.be/2LhFZwankY0
condolences to the families.
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the first RV9A that went down in a thunderstorm was not too far from me in Ohio. the year was 2016. message: stay out of thunderstorms in these delicate aircraft. they are total performance but not in thunderstorms. they are weak there.
The vertical stabilizer and rudder were found 0.61 to 0.63 nautical miles southwest of the main wreckage, respectively, and exhibited overload signatures consistent with an in-flight breakup.
http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2016/07/v ... ident.html
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/ ... /93660/pdf
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Re: RV9A in-flight breakup
N192MH; it appears this aircraft was using the heavy wheelen tail strobe and had glassed in both the upper and lower fiberglass fairing. both of these actions add weight to the rudder in the worse possible places and will lower the rudder flutter speed.
wheelen tail strobe installation assembly = +1/3 lb
glassed-in tip fairings = +1/4 lb (maybe more, how do you know?)
I believe Van's should issue a SB about the rudder to avoid adding unnecessary weights that will adversely affect rudder flutter speed. folks may think they are making it better, when they are making it worse. they just don't know the fundamentals. this is serious business.
wheelen tail strobe installation assembly = +1/3 lb
glassed-in tip fairings = +1/4 lb (maybe more, how do you know?)
I believe Van's should issue a SB about the rudder to avoid adding unnecessary weights that will adversely affect rudder flutter speed. folks may think they are making it better, when they are making it worse. they just don't know the fundamentals. this is serious business.
Steve Melton
N531EM, RV9A, Superior O-320, WW 200RV prop, Slick mags, CHT 330F, EGT 1300F, B&C, 1300+ hours
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Re: RV9A down - final report - N192MH
RV9A down - final report - N192MH
well, this is a classic example of spatial disorientation, losing control and exceeding Vne and breaking up in-flight. RV aircraft are especially susceptible to this because they are relatively clean airframes and delicate machines. the pilot must maintain control. this occurred on the way to Oshkosh and perhaps some "get-there-itis" was in play. the wing spar cap failed too and amazing that some people on the ground actually heard a snap sound. it is a long and detailed good report.
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/ ... 105567/pdf
The non-instrument-rated pilot’s decision to continue visual flight into instrument meteorological conditions, which resulted in spatial disorientation, a loss of control, exceedance of the airplane’s design limitations, and in-flight breakup of the airplane due to rudder flutter.
full blown flutter is a violent event.
well, this is a classic example of spatial disorientation, losing control and exceeding Vne and breaking up in-flight. RV aircraft are especially susceptible to this because they are relatively clean airframes and delicate machines. the pilot must maintain control. this occurred on the way to Oshkosh and perhaps some "get-there-itis" was in play. the wing spar cap failed too and amazing that some people on the ground actually heard a snap sound. it is a long and detailed good report.
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/ ... 105567/pdf
The non-instrument-rated pilot’s decision to continue visual flight into instrument meteorological conditions, which resulted in spatial disorientation, a loss of control, exceedance of the airplane’s design limitations, and in-flight breakup of the airplane due to rudder flutter.
full blown flutter is a violent event.
Steve Melton
N531EM, RV9A, Superior O-320, WW 200RV prop, Slick mags, CHT 330F, EGT 1300F, B&C, 1300+ hours
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