Engines

jim_geo · Post by **jim_geo** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:24 am

I have taken a close look at the Mattituck site and it looks like a positive maybe. Does anybody know of a place I can for sure buy parts (as in all the parts) to assemble my own lycoming clone?

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:55 am

Well, that is what ECi does, but if you want to do an engine...they want an engine builder to accompany you somehow before they will sell you an o-ring...

I like Mattituck. They fed me well when I was there!

CJ

cjensen · Post by **cjensen** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:55 am

you like anybody that feeds you!

Post by **Spike** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:44 am

I keep waiting for Superior to come out with an XP-320, which like Innodyn, they keep swearing "its coming."

I think if I had to put money down today it would be on a powersport, but frankly, with the experience that John has had with Mattituck, I would have to look at them hard.

cjensen · Post by **cjensen** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:57 am

Spike wrote: I think if I had to put money down today it would be on a powersport...

man, if we could get about 6 or 7 more people to do this (including me, but i'm not ready yet), they would do a run of engines!! they need orders to do it though 'cuz they won't build 'em one at a time. i talk to ray richardson frequently, and they just don't have the orders needed. they are doing a lot of water pumps for race cars right now.

like CJ said, i don't think there is anyone actually selling engine kits to just anybody yet. they want to, but aren't able to yet. mattituck is a great company. we do business with them on a regular basis for certy'd engines. i honestly can't say the same for ECi. we've had some trouble with them, but they do try to work things out for you, it just takes a while. coulda just been a one time fluke though...

Post by **Spike** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:07 pm

Are you saying that powersport is not really building GA engines right now?

cjensen · Post by **cjensen** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:26 pm

yup. they won't make an engine run until they have enough deposits to do so. last time i talked to ray, they wanted 6 orders to start a run. i think they have (or had) two deposits about three months ago.

jim_geo · Post by **jim_geo** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:19 pm

What got me thinking along this line was after talking to the folks at Aero Sport I wanted to do a price comparison of a build it yourself. I would feel very comfortable with an engine that I assembled from new parts. I'm not looking to join a class or mass assembly situation or to build from used but serviceable parts. I do consider this a serious option for myself.

cjensen · Post by **cjensen** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:44 pm

why not just buy a cheap runout, and overhaul it yourself with new parts??

Mahlon · Post by **Mahlon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:25 pm

I believe you can purchase a kit engine with or without accessories for personal assembly from A.E.R.O. Aviation . 800-362-3044 Jesse Robinson (Ext 228)
They don’t have a website.
Good Luck,
Mahlon
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Dan A · Post by **Dan A** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:58 pm

Check out Areo Sport Power . Their prices are right and they will port and flow match the cylinders and Balance your engine at a very reasonable price. The IO360 180 hp engine will dyno at about 195 hp. I know. I have one and it is powerful and very smooth.

They are located in Kamloops BC Canada and Bart will take care of all the paperwork to get it into country. Contact them at "www.aerosportpower.com"
Dan

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:01 pm

cjensen wrote:you like anybody that feeds you!

Will Superior feed me too?!?

CJ

cjensen · Post by **cjensen** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:30 pm

i'm sure if you tell them you're gonna send 'em some money they will!

jim_geo · Post by **jim_geo** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:30 am

Mahlon, Thank you very much for your information. I will be giving them a call in the morning or so. This was to be the week I was going to order an engine but when crunch time came so did getting serious with the choices. Guess I'll wait until I have the info on this last permutation. If I can't save substantial bucks by self building I'll be going with an engine from Aero Sport in Kamloops. Their prices are right and Bart has a very good reputation.

Mahlon · Post by **Mahlon** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:58 am

Jim, I think in the end you will find getting the engine built by guys that do it all the time would be the better choice and most economical when all factors are considered. If you have friends that have built other Lycoming engines and have some experience you can tap for free, then building your own may be a good alternative, but if you have no experienced help and have never done one yourself, I think it might be better to let some experienced hands do the walking. Bart builds a great engine and him being relatively close to you, is certainly an added benefit. I am sure you will be happy with your choice whichever way you decide to go.
Good Luck,
Mahlon
"The opinions and information provided in this and all of my posts are hopefully helpful to you. Please use the information provided responsibly and at you own risk."

aerial · Post by **aerial** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:58 pm

Here's a good article about some guys here in California who do a lot of work for "Hot-rod" and racer types. I know a guy who had them build an O-235 for his Lancair and he says it's pushing 160hp. I think I remember him saying something about "RV hunting".

(You have to believe anyone who flew a B-52 in WWII and is over 80 yrs old with a current medical don't you?)

http://www.lycon.com/tbopage.htm

I found the point about running 150 deg rich of peak interesting. Also about high temps affecting Chrome cylinders.

jim_geo · Post by **jim_geo** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:28 am

HMMM

Lightspeed or Laser or a combo. Anyone have any thoughts? Pretty much I'm going to build my own engine from an ECI kit unless I see something very dramatic in the near future. Actually I already have my ducks in a row about the ignition, the question is posed in order to skim off any new info that may be out there. I'm going to go sleep now.

captain_john · Post by **captain_john** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:47 am

Right now I would lay my monies down on the P-Mags. Probably a pair of them... with automobile plugs on the harnesses.

I am excited to hear more about how they are actually performing in the field.

CJ

Post by **Spike** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:40 pm

Ditto.

jim_geo · Post by **jim_geo** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:39 am

I just read the thread "Lycoming Kits". If I had been more carefull I would have posted this topic under that thread. What I have learned in the past week is that AERO Aviation was aproached by ECI to sell their parts as kits. That's what I was told. I don't know about Lycoming selling kits of their engine parts and am not sure that I'd be all that inclined to buy one from them just because it's genuine Lycoming. I'm considering buying two kits to build and selling off one just to see how that goes. At any rate I plan to document anything I do here at rivetbangers. Should be some good info if I continue along this line of thought.